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26 Sunday Feb 2017

Posted by jimmyk1967 in Religious

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Cardinal Zen, Catholics in China, Code of Canon Law(1917), Extended Ordination, married priests

We have survived an ingenious attempt to murder us by an induced spike of very high blood pressure. Or, of course, it might just have been produced buy stupidity. Or the inability to read.
Anyway, it was said of us ‘Are they still trying to get married priests ?’ Yes, us.
As our readers know, we’d sooner found the Square Wheel Society of Great Britain, or the Chocolate Teapot Association.
We are for two things: the first is the extension of ordination beyond the present limits of celibacy, six years of theology and parish support, so that the Eucharist can be provided for the Flock.
The second is for China to become part of the Church, with the same result.
This leads us to Cardinal Zen, former archbishop of Hong Kong,. Now 85, he had to run for his life during the Mao era in China. He certainly knows what he is talking about when it comes to Communist persecution, and has been a fearless and outspoken critic of the regime throughout his life.
He now, unfortunately, reminds us of the old general in the film of ‘The Four Feathers’ for whom every meal was an opportunity to fight the battle of Balaclava yet again , thirty years later, with knives, spoons and the sugar bowl.
As ever, we have someone else who does not realise that this is 2017, and once again the Code of Canon Law of 1917 appears. In China, there is the underground church and the state controlled church. Both have validly ordained bishops. But Cardinal Zen believes that any attempt to allow the state controlled church to nominate bishops is for some reason a betrayal of the underground church , although such nomination was common practice in Europe for hundreds of years.
Against a background of the most delicate and Byzantinely complex nature of the negotiations going on at present with the Chinese government, his language is negative and essentially adversarial- ‘betrayal’; selling’,’capitulation’. It is interesting that we have not heard much from the underground church on how it feels about the rest of China being able to join the Church; they might not see it as a selling out but as a glorious passing on of belief , as the early Christians must have felt when they were allowed to leave the catacombs.
The Cardinal is on record , in November 2016, as saying he would rather have no bishops than fake bishops., Even Code of Canon Law (1917) fans must feel that we are now wildly over the top. Since the bishops of the state controlled church are validly ordained, if ‘illicitly’, i.e. without the permission of the Curia ,this is really not just an actual challenge Canon Law but denies the Apostolic Succession.
All we can do is remember him in our prayers, and hope that there are not too many like him in the Chinese Government.
The Church exists to provide the Eucharist for the Flock. Anything, positively or negatively which prevents it from doing so is denying Christ’s imperative at the Last Supper.

Celibacy ? Really ?

26 Sunday Oct 2014

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celibacy, Dr Halliday Sutherland, married priests, religious orders, vocation

No. 2 of To Feed The Flock’s 10 suggestions for extending ordination reads as follows:
“ (ii) celibacy is already waived to permit convert Anglican clergymen to be
ordained as priests. It would still exist, of course for religious orders.”
Part 1.
(Obviously, this blog will not take up an anti-celibacy position.
We are old-fashioned enough to still pay heed to the Gospels, in this case
to Matthew 19:12 . The positive merits of celibacy are encapsulated on many websites,
and are particularly valuable to the religious orders, the engine room
of the Church to come.)
What we will take exception to is when it keeps the Eucharist from the Flock.

Thackeray is said to have leapt and danced round the room several times when “Vanity Fair” as a title occurred to him. When the expression “married priest” comes up in any conversation dealing with why we are not allowed to get the Eucharist, it is tempting to do the same,for very different reasons.
The expression “married priest” immediately creates a contra-cultural roadblock in any discussion about how the Eucharist is to given to the world as Christ asked.
The image of the Tridentine celibate parish-supported secular priest is part of the very fibre of the Western Church, gathering about itself even among the more rational of us certain expectations and suppositions. Dr Halliday Sutherland
in his “Irish Journey” reminded us that there can be less rational expectations and suppositions when he met someone who had given up the Church for two years having heard that priests used the toilet.
“Married priest” for some seems inevitably to bring to mind children’s jammy fingers among the chasubles , bell, book and candle for recalcitrant mothers in law, and a wide range of other distinctly distracting matrimonial situations.
The problem appears to have solved itself. There can never now be married priests supported by a parish, except in the case of Anglican converts.
The secular priest as a phenomenon has almost disappeared, taking with it the distinctly dodgy concept- given its obvious track record in recent years- of “vocation”. The real “problem” with celibacy of course has been compulsory
celibacy , to avoid claims on Church property by a priest’s children, embarrassing short-sighted and ludicrous though this may seem to us, but one which made sense in its way to small agricultural mediaeval communities. The past is another world, the mediaeval world another universe, and yet the provision of the Eucharist for the Flock still depends on it in 2014, in the world of the megapolis,of instant world-wide communication , of sex as a dominant, pervasive
element of society.
Does celibacy really have anything at all to do with Christ’s imperative that we change our lives and our world through the Eucharist ?

(to be continued)

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