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26 Sunday Feb 2017

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Cardinal Zen, Catholics in China, Code of Canon Law(1917), Extended Ordination, married priests

We have survived an ingenious attempt to murder us by an induced spike of very high blood pressure. Or, of course, it might just have been produced buy stupidity. Or the inability to read.
Anyway, it was said of us ‘Are they still trying to get married priests ?’ Yes, us.
As our readers know, we’d sooner found the Square Wheel Society of Great Britain, or the Chocolate Teapot Association.
We are for two things: the first is the extension of ordination beyond the present limits of celibacy, six years of theology and parish support, so that the Eucharist can be provided for the Flock.
The second is for China to become part of the Church, with the same result.
This leads us to Cardinal Zen, former archbishop of Hong Kong,. Now 85, he had to run for his life during the Mao era in China. He certainly knows what he is talking about when it comes to Communist persecution, and has been a fearless and outspoken critic of the regime throughout his life.
He now, unfortunately, reminds us of the old general in the film of ‘The Four Feathers’ for whom every meal was an opportunity to fight the battle of Balaclava yet again , thirty years later, with knives, spoons and the sugar bowl.
As ever, we have someone else who does not realise that this is 2017, and once again the Code of Canon Law of 1917 appears. In China, there is the underground church and the state controlled church. Both have validly ordained bishops. But Cardinal Zen believes that any attempt to allow the state controlled church to nominate bishops is for some reason a betrayal of the underground church , although such nomination was common practice in Europe for hundreds of years.
Against a background of the most delicate and Byzantinely complex nature of the negotiations going on at present with the Chinese government, his language is negative and essentially adversarial- ‘betrayal’; selling’,’capitulation’. It is interesting that we have not heard much from the underground church on how it feels about the rest of China being able to join the Church; they might not see it as a selling out but as a glorious passing on of belief , as the early Christians must have felt when they were allowed to leave the catacombs.
The Cardinal is on record , in November 2016, as saying he would rather have no bishops than fake bishops., Even Code of Canon Law (1917) fans must feel that we are now wildly over the top. Since the bishops of the state controlled church are validly ordained, if ‘illicitly’, i.e. without the permission of the Curia ,this is really not just an actual challenge Canon Law but denies the Apostolic Succession.
All we can do is remember him in our prayers, and hope that there are not too many like him in the Chinese Government.
The Church exists to provide the Eucharist for the Flock. Anything, positively or negatively which prevents it from doing so is denying Christ’s imperative at the Last Supper.

Archbishop Martin and the Glass Ceiling

31 Sunday Jul 2016

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Archbishop Martin, Cardinal Burke, Cardinal Marx, Extended Ordination, Pope Benedict

Archbishop Diarmuid Martin of Dublin can talk good sense, as in his use of the phrase ‘credibility deficit’ when speaking of Irish Catholics and the Church, on paedophily, when suggesting that the Vatican deal a little quicker with things and on other occasions. But he is still trapped under the glass ceiling.
Cardinal Burke is not a favourite on this blog, but we have to object to Archbishop Martin commenting on the Cardinal’s recent book, in particular its view that Islam seeks to rule the world and that the only solution is to return to its Christian roots. He was unfortunate enough to remark ‘I don’t think that helps at all ’ ,considering that he also thought that interreligious tensions are caused by inequalities and the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. To be fair, he did add perceptively that long-term solutions would come from education.
Cardinal Marx said he felt the intention of the act of terror in the French church (the murder of the parish priest) was to stir up hatred between religions.
Now is it the long years of training away from the world which they see themselves as the only possible means of changing, or too much brooding about the early Fathers of the Church , but how do churchmen get this way ? Where are all those cynical, world-weary but worldly, sophisticated old clerics like Cardinal Richelieu when you need them?
The two Moslems- and may they rest in peace- who entered the French church, cut the throat of the old parish priest and took hostages , armed only with knives , in a country where every policeman carries a gun and special security units are on high alert, knew what they were doing. They were not interested in inequalities, or the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, or in their lack of education. They were committing suicide in slow motion by security squad , so that each could meet his 72 virgins. They knew that they would not get out of that church alive. And they didn’t care. And what can be done about that ?
And yet, Archbishop Martin , quizzed on TV, did say that the only way to combat evil is ‘by bringing a similar force of goodness into our society’, without expanding on this, adding that ’goodness will always win in a combat with evil’ . Left at that, his statement that ‘I don’t think that helps at all’ is ironic. Especially when he must know that there is a way of ‘bringing a similar force of goodness into our society’ and yet , as a bishop under Pope Francis, he shows little interest like his fellow bishops in bringing it,i.e. ordaining parishioners to provide the Eucharist.
We wonder more and more if the six years of theological education undergone by the Tridentine priesthood is in fact simply a form of celibacy training. They must pick up some other stuff, surely.
Pope Benedict points out :’We cannot approach the Eucharistic table without being drawn into the mission which, beginning in the very heart of God, is meant to reach all people. Missionary outreach is thus an essential part of the Eucharistic form of the Christian life.’
Or as St John says,’..you are in Me, and I am in you’ .
50,000 parishes are without clergy, ie a Tridentine priest, theologically educated, celibate and parish supported, and therefore unable to receive the Eucharist.
And yet Archbishop Diarmuid Martin of Dublin and his fellow bishops are unwilling to accept Pope Francis’s invitation to discuss extending ordination to parishioners, and therefore providing the Eucharist to all, and therefore ‘bringing a force of goodness into our society’ and to the world.
We ask, as we have done so often on this blog, why in Heaven’s name, not ? Why can’t the Tridentine priesthood let go ?

Our bishops and extended ordination

27 Sunday Dec 2015

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bishops of england and wales, Extended Ordination, the Last Supper

We were asked recently if we were ‘still battering the bishops’, obviously by someone who completely misunderstands this blog. Now for a start, if this odd expression were our purpose , there would be no doubt about it, we assure you. We simply try to help to make it clear what our bishops are saying at the end of 2015.
At the plenary meeting of the English and Welsh bishops in November, a motion put forward by Bishop Seamus Cunningham of Hexham and Newcastle on behalf of the Council of Priests in his diocese to ordain married men as priests was rejected. Bishop Cunningham agreed that this would allow the faithful ‘not to be starved of the Sacraments , especially the Eucharist’, but pointed out that many of the bishops felt that the priesthood and celibacy were a symbol of an interior dedication to Christ and were intimately linked. He added that ‘any separation of them as a norm of the Church would change the nature of how we see the priesthood.’
To summarise that objectively for the busy reader, without , we hope giving offence, or ‘bishop battering’, the bishops of England and Wales are more interested in their image than in providing the Eucharist.
We hope that this will clear us of charges of ‘bishop battering’. Such a site would have said, ’The bishops of England and Wales aren’t too worried about what was said at the Last Supper, or what this Pope says either.’ We hope this will clear up any misunderstanding. We would be interested , however, in googling a ‘bishop battering’ site . If you know one, please get in touch.

Parachute Popery?

15 Sunday Jun 2014

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Parachute Popery ?

Pope Francis has been asked to visit Glasgow, to mark the 400th anniversary
of the martyrdom of St John Ogilvie. Archbishop Tartaglia says it would be a
blessing. But is that really what the Pope is for ? To be dropped in here and
there like the SAS ? And even if one believed that, there are many places
where his presence would obviously be more valuable.
Moreover, Pope Francis is a very important commodity, but no chicken.
Bringing him here from Rome for a very hectic day does not make a lot of sense.
It might be an even bigger blessing for us all to let him stay where he is ,
sorting out the Vatican, since he is neither posing nor dozing ,
unlike his immediate predecessors.

No comments from the other Bishops of Scotland have come to our attention,
but the Pope might well have a few questions to ask them- face to face.
What if he asked them why they haven’t joined in with other bishops in Britain
and elsewhere asking to have ordination extended, to name but one?
Or why they’re closing churches when we may soon have parishioners ordained
in the near future?

Once again we ask- what is the problem ? What is the problem about
discussing this, even, with the flock ?

The Archdiocese could still mark St John Ogilvie’s martyrdom by expressing
its appreciation to the Jesuit Community in Glasgow for over 150 years of
work. Any suggestions ?

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