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Why can’t we get the Sacraments ?

19 Sunday Apr 2015

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As we know hundreds of thousands of people throughout the world cannot receive the Eucharist or have a sacramental life. This is because most of us receive the sacraments from the secular priest, celibate and supported by a parish, and the secular priesthood is a thing of the past. The bishops won’t listen to the Pope’s invitation to discuss extending valid ordination to parish members.
Let’s boil this down a bit. The bishops are denying us the Eucharist and the other Sacraments. And many priests seem to agree with them- qui tacet consentire.
It’s as simple as that .
We can only speculate as to why this is. And believe us, we will, over the next few weeks. We’ll skip the obvious images, like doctors ignoring the sick, lawyers truanting court, etc. We can adjust without them .And here in Scotland we’re used to that kind of remarkably difficult adjustment when considering the local ecclesiastical crisis.
One of us was asked, when bringing up the subject of extended ordination, if “we fancied putting on the collar, then.” That is an actual statement. It’s true. We’ll get to that attitude later. Oh, we will, we will.
But the bottom line is: why won’t the secular clergy give us our Sacraments ?
Suggestions, by the way, are welcome. We’ll take our theories in no particular order, although the first one is rather important.
Here’s a statement from a newly ordained priest in an American diocese in 2008. It is quoted from a US blog, details available if required. He is transparently sincere, which is the problem, of course. It is his priestly education which is at fault.
“A priest is most a priest in the quiet, hidden moments of his day when he is confident in his identity as
alter Christus, consoled by his sacramental proximity to the fountain from which graces flow, and
humbled before the God who chooses men to be His representatives and instruments in the world.”

Well, there you are. If you think you’re an alter Christus, why should you listen to anybody else ? Even if there are people all over the world who would like access to the “fountain from which graces flow” , but can’t get this, because of the secular priesthood system ? By definition, if you’re an alter Christus, everyone else is wrong. This does make it difficult to get things changed.
But there are other reasons . As they used to say, watch this space.

Parachute Popery?

15 Sunday Jun 2014

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Parachute Popery ?

Pope Francis has been asked to visit Glasgow, to mark the 400th anniversary
of the martyrdom of St John Ogilvie. Archbishop Tartaglia says it would be a
blessing. But is that really what the Pope is for ? To be dropped in here and
there like the SAS ? And even if one believed that, there are many places
where his presence would obviously be more valuable.
Moreover, Pope Francis is a very important commodity, but no chicken.
Bringing him here from Rome for a very hectic day does not make a lot of sense.
It might be an even bigger blessing for us all to let him stay where he is ,
sorting out the Vatican, since he is neither posing nor dozing ,
unlike his immediate predecessors.

No comments from the other Bishops of Scotland have come to our attention,
but the Pope might well have a few questions to ask them- face to face.
What if he asked them why they haven’t joined in with other bishops in Britain
and elsewhere asking to have ordination extended, to name but one?
Or why they’re closing churches when we may soon have parishioners ordained
in the near future?

Once again we ask- what is the problem ? What is the problem about
discussing this, even, with the flock ?

The Archdiocese could still mark St John Ogilvie’s martyrdom by expressing
its appreciation to the Jesuit Community in Glasgow for over 150 years of
work. Any suggestions ?

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