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Corpus Christi

22 Sunday Jun 2014

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This is the Feast of Corpus Christi.

Its Gospel is the most difficult to listen to of any Sunday Gospel

as we realise how many hundreds of thousands throughout the world

are deprived of the Eucharist.

They are deprived because of the shortage of secular priests.

The blazing intensity of the Gospel reinforces the need to

accept that the secular priesthood is no longer an effective 

means of providing the Eucharist.

Is there any real problem in creating a different and effective

method of Feeding the Flock simply by the valid ordination

of a few members of every parish in the world to take the

place of a resident priest?

Let us call them Ordained Ministers  for the sake of convenience,

and consider the practicalities.

1. The Ordained Minister, one of a number elected by fellow

parishioners, is duly ordained, says Mass and helps to provide the

Sacraments, under the authority of the Bishop or Archbishop.

 

2. celibacy is not  a doctrine, and is already waived to permit

convert Anglican clergymen to become priests.  It would

still exist, of course, for the religious orders.

 

3.General Absolution would be a necessity

 

4.. The Ordained Minister would never preach off his own bat

and will have no doctrinal input of any kind , doctrine being

obviously the preserve of the Bishop or Archbishop.

 

5. The kind of clerical education we are familiar with

is unnecessary. The only training required would be in the

techniques of saying Mass and distributing the Sacraments.

 

6. Church property and income is not affected in any way.

 

7. Such a system can be implemented , with good will, within a year.

 

8. The possibility of an Ordained Minister later bringing his

position in the parish into disrepute would imply outstanding

powers of deception. Local knowledge is likely to prove more

effective than a perceived sense of vocation has been.  In any case,

8.3% of the Apostles themselves let the side down, and rather

spectacularly at that.

 

9. The election of the present Pope  and the recent selection 

of Bishops in England and Scotland from religious orders

may prefigure a situation in which all members of the

hierarchy are so recruited.

 

Is there any real problem?  Some Bishops don’t see one.

Why can’t more of them join in ?      

Parachute Popery?

15 Sunday Jun 2014

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Parachute Popery ?

Pope Francis has been asked to visit Glasgow, to mark the 400th anniversary
of the martyrdom of St John Ogilvie. Archbishop Tartaglia says it would be a
blessing. But is that really what the Pope is for ? To be dropped in here and
there like the SAS ? And even if one believed that, there are many places
where his presence would obviously be more valuable.
Moreover, Pope Francis is a very important commodity, but no chicken.
Bringing him here from Rome for a very hectic day does not make a lot of sense.
It might be an even bigger blessing for us all to let him stay where he is ,
sorting out the Vatican, since he is neither posing nor dozing ,
unlike his immediate predecessors.

No comments from the other Bishops of Scotland have come to our attention,
but the Pope might well have a few questions to ask them- face to face.
What if he asked them why they haven’t joined in with other bishops in Britain
and elsewhere asking to have ordination extended, to name but one?
Or why they’re closing churches when we may soon have parishioners ordained
in the near future?

Once again we ask- what is the problem ? What is the problem about
discussing this, even, with the flock ?

The Archdiocese could still mark St John Ogilvie’s martyrdom by expressing
its appreciation to the Jesuit Community in Glasgow for over 150 years of
work. Any suggestions ?

What Is The Problem?

06 Friday Jun 2014

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“To Feed The Flock” wonders…

A French philosopher- well, you know the French- was all in favour
of strangling the last king with the entrails of the last priest.
We’ll have none of that nonsense here in Glasgow. We’ll actually need
the last priest for our Easter duties.
Mind you, he’ll probably be up on the Cathkin Braes, supported by two
pass-keepers, giving General Absolution to all members of the Archdiocese,
and those who have come in from surrounding areas. They’re used to big
crowds in King’s Park and Mount Florida because of Hampden Park,
but that day will be something special. Can you imagine the traffic
in Main Street, Rutherglen ?

Churches are going to be closed down.So we’ll be used to doing without
having many baptisms. Confirmation to see us along the road will be quite
rare. The last church service booklet for Nuptial Mass with Papal Blessing
will be in the People’s Palace if there’s not one there already. Many a
death bed scene will be a scene and a half.
And above all, we will have been deprived of the Eucharist despite Christ’s
quite explicit order to the Apostles to feed His lambs and sheep.
And forgive their sins.

All this is because the Eucharist and the other sacraments can only be
provided in Glasgow and everywhere else by secular priests, i.e. those
who are celibate ,have had a theological education and are supported by
a parish (I know about religious orders. I also know about deacons. )
Or of course they could be provided by ex-Anglican vicars with four of
a family, oddly enough, although there’s not many of them round about here. .

There aren’t enough secular priests to provide the Eucharist throughout
the world. But why does this mean we cannot receive It ? What is the problem
in extending ordination to a group of parishioners in every parish? Worldwide ?
When I am found lying on the kitchenette floor some day, waiting for the last
Sacraments from the local newsagent or garage mechanic or whoever is on duty
from my parish that day,I shall not ask him first if he is married or quiz
him about his knowledge of St Jerome. What exactly is the problem in extending
ordination ?

Glasgow? Well, we’ve worked out all sorts of clever ways of closing churches,
admittedly with some consultation with some parishioners, in at least one case
with an insistence that no minutes of the meeting be taken. We’ve got to
assume that all this being done in accordance with the latest developments in
the very respectable science of decline management. Well, we’ve got to assume this.

This blog is far from a voice crying in the wilderness. Within days of Pope Francis
being appointed,in March 2013, a group of Catholic MPs petitioned him to extend
ordination to married men. More significantly,in September,the then Archbishop
Pietro Parolin, the Vatican Secretary of State, pointed out that “celibacy is
not part of church dogma and the issue is open to discussion because it is
an ecclesiastical tradition.” In England this year , the Bishops of Brentwood,
Hexham and Newcastle and Menevia added their support for extending ordination.
Bishop Krautler of Xingu in Brazil, who has 27 priests for 700,000 people, had
an audience with Pope Francis in April, in which the Pope indicated that
“regional and national bishops’ conferences should seek and find consensus
on reform” and then communicate this to Rome.

At the end of May this year, Pope Francis pointed out, on his way back from
Jerusalem , that celibacy is not a dogma and is always open to change.
This may bring an end to the silence from the rest of the English Bishops
and all of the Scottish Bishops on the subject.In Glasgow, the response to
priest shortages is only to close church buildings. There has been no mention
of joining the above to petition the Pope to extend ordination,i.e.to provide the
Eucharist. And even if some gesture of token support is offered, that will not
be enough as the Flock drifts away. Idle words are inadequate.

“To Feed The Flock ” welcomes your opinion on exactly what the problem is,
here and everywhere else, about carrying out Christ’s Eucharistic imperative.

To Feed The Flock

05 Thursday Jun 2014

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Christ commanded us to feed His Flock by providing the Eucharist.
In the Western Church, and therefore in most of the world, this
has been done principally by secular priests.

A secular or Tridentine priest is celibate,is one supported by a
parish and who has had a lengthy theological education. According
to Wikipedia, there are 50,000 parishes without these priests, not
counting parishes now closed .They can never now be replaced.

The fulfilment of Christ’s command is therefore being prevented
by the tradition- which is all that it is- that only the secular
priest can provide the Eucharist.

It is gradually being realised by some at all levels in the
Church that we have no right to deny the Eucharist to millions
simply because of a defunct tradition.

1. This blog,”To Feed The Flock” exists to join with these
in pointing out that there is mno real difficulty in finding
another way of providing the Eucharist, i.e.by extending
ordination.

2. It will also speculate as to why another way is not being
provided, and as soon as possible.

3. It will also highlight China, which will soon be the
world’s leading power. The spiritual longings of its millions
as we know, are being denied to them just now . In a
future,different,era, things will change. But it will be
impossible to provide the Eucharist for China’s people
unless ordination is extended. It has been said that
the Western Church has lost Europe, our young people,
and the poor.
How can weface Christ if we also lose China ?

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